{"id":401,"date":"2023-07-10T09:56:57","date_gmt":"2023-07-10T07:56:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ness-apg.com\/?p=401"},"modified":"2024-05-16T09:28:59","modified_gmt":"2024-05-16T07:28:59","slug":"ness-automations-from-ableton-live","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ness-apg.com\/index.php\/tutorials\/sources-automations\/ness-automations-from-ableton-live\/","title":{"rendered":"NESS automations from Ableton live"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t
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NESS automations from Live with Max4Live plugin<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t
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This tutorial show you step by step how to control the audio objects in NESS from Ableton Live.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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To learn how to route audio from Live to NESS with Blackhole on a Mac, follow this tutorial: Routing audio from any DAW to NESS (Mac Only)<\/a><\/p>

For a more complete tutorial on the use of automations in Ableton, please refer to the following tutorial:\u00a0Working with Automation and Modulation<\/a><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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Installation of the Max4Live NESS plugin<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t
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The NESS_source_control plugin is a max for live plugin, allowing to create OSC automations from Ableton Live to control the positions and parameters of audio objects in NESS. We will use it to record the movements as automations in Live tracks and playback those movements in NESS.<\/p>

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  • 1. Just unzip the whole content of the zip file in the following folder :<\/li><\/ul>

    C:\\Users\\USERNAME\\Documents\\Ableton\\User Library\\Presets\\Audio Effects\\Max Audio Effect<\/p>

    Tip : the User Library folder of Ableton can be accessed by right-clicking the “User Library” icon in the Places section on the left of Ableton Window<\/i><\/p>

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      • 1. Just unzip the whole content of the zip file in the following folder :

        HD\\Users\\USERNAME\\Music\\Ableton\\User Library\\Presets\\Audio Effects\\Max Audio Effect<\/p>

        Tip : the User Library folder of Ableton can be accessed by right-clicking the “User Library” icon in the Places section on the left of Ableton Window<\/em><\/p><\/li>

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        Presentation of the plugin<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t
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        The\u00a0plugin reuses the UI of the source position panel in NESS and of the movements’ management.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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        In free move mode, those parameters are available:<\/div>
        • X \u2192 X coordinate of the source (between -1 and 1, it is automatically rescaled in NESS)
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        • Y \u2192 Y coordinate of the source (between -1 and 1, it is automatically rescaled in NESS)
          Y is available for automations<\/li>
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        • Read XY automation \u2192 should be enabled to read recorded automations<\/li>
        • Width \u2192 perceived width of the source (between 0 and 1)
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          In free move mode, the trajectory controls are displayed:<\/p>

          • Clear<\/span>\u00a0\u2192 delete all trajectory points<\/li>
          • Play<\/span>\u00a0\u2192 triggers the movement
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          • Loop<\/span>\u00a0\u2192 plays the movement in loop<\/li>
          • Direction<\/span>\u00a0\u2192 direction of the movement: forward, reverse or round trip<\/li>
          • Position on trajectory<\/span>\u00a0\u2192 sets the position of the source on the trajectory.
            Example: if the index is set to 3.5 the source will be placed in between the points 3 and 4 of the trajectory<\/em><\/li>
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            The NESS_source_control plugin can be loaded on Live tracks just by dragging and dropping it on the tracks to automate.<\/p>

            • 1. Open a new or existing project in Ableton Live<\/li>
            • 2. Activate the audio engine (it is required to enable the controls of the plugin)<\/li>
            • 3. In the left panel, go to Max for Live > Max Audio Effect<\/li>
            • 4. Select the plugin NESS_source_control and drop it on each track on which automations must be performed<\/li>
            • 5. Enter the IP of the computer on which NESS runs in the \u201cIP Address or Hostname\u201d field. This should only be done for one plugin. All other NESS plugins of the sessions will automatically take the same value.
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            • 6. Set the input port to the value of your choice. This value will be reused to configure the bidirectional control in NESS. This should only be done for one plugin. All other NESS plugins of the sessions will automatically take the same value<\/li>
            • 7. Set the ID of the object to control in NESS. This should be different for each instance of the plugin.<\/li>
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              The OSC communication must be configured in NESS in order to enable the remote control.<\/p>

              The communication is bidirectional, meaning that you can control the positions of NESS objects from Live with the plugin, but you can also control the parameters of the plugin from NESS. It is particularly useful if you use it in combination with the TouchOSC template, or if you want to record a live performance with pre-programmed movements of sources in NESS.<\/p>

              • 1. Open NESS<\/li>
              • 2. Open a new or an existing session in NESS<\/li>
              • 3. Go to the Settings page<\/li>
              • 4. In the OSC Settings section, configure one of the available device to send OSC to Live:
                • a. Name the chosen device \u201cLive\u201d<\/li>
                • b. Enter its IP address, it should be the address of the computer on which Live is running<\/li>
                • c. Enter the port number, it should be the same as configured in the Live plugin.<\/li>
                • d. Enable the OSC send to this device<\/li>
                • e. Enable \u201cReceiving OSC\u201d<\/li>
                • f. Save the snapshot.
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                  Once Live and NESS configured, in Live, reopen the live project configured with the plugins.<\/p>

                  At the loading of the project in Live, all audio objects in NESS should take the name and the color of the corresponding track in Live. All objects positions in NESS are set according to the XY Pad of each plugin in Live.<\/p>

                    At this point:
                  • If you move a source from the plugin, you should see the source moving in NESS.<\/li>
                  • If you change the width of the source in the plugin, you should see the width parameter updated in NESS.<\/li>
                  • If you change the name or the color of the track on which the plugin is loaded, the remote object in NESS should be renamed and its color updated.<\/li>
                  • If you trigger a movement from the plugin, the controlled source must be moving in NESS<\/li><\/ul>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t
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                    Switch to the Arrangement view of live in the upper right corner<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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                    E<\/span>nable the automation mode<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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                    On the track on which the automation must be recorded, for each parameter to automate:<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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                    1. Select NESS_source_control in the plugin selection menu
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                    Try \u00a0to configure the automations for X, Y and width parameters and move the source in the XY Pad of the plugin. The red dotted lines should move in the arrangement view.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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                    Once the X and Y parameters automations have been configured, you can record a movement simply by pressing the record button at the top of the window and moving the source in the XY pad. Make sure that the read XY automation button is deactivated. Automation curves should be drawn on the track.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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                    • 1. Arm the automations with the button on the upper controls bar
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                    • 3. Move the source with the mouse in the XY pad<\/li>
                    • 4. Stop the recording<\/li>
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